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By HOOWANTSTONO

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There always seem to be disputes about who Lucifer is, well here are many of his names he was called in the Bible.

The Blue words are click-able and take you to further information to assist in your debate.

It is of note here that Lucifer is not the" Morning Star " (Jesus Christ), as many have falsely learn`t, but "son of the morning". Although certain bibles incorrectly mention this and have caused a confusion, and now some believe Lucifer is the Antichrist and Jesus Christ.

Also he is not the Antichrist, the Anti Christ is a man influenced by Satan and the same as in the king of Tyrus, although the verse is talking about Satan before he became Satan, as Lucifer still in heaven and then also in the Garden of Eden as Satan. The reason for being called king of Tyrus is because of Satanic influence over the king of Tyrus a Phoenician Empire. initially it was against "prince of Tyrus" referring to spiritual powers.Eze 28:2

Eze 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty

Lucifer

The word Lucifer is translated as "heylel" and means "light-bearer" it also describes the Lucifer was a bright angel due to his beauty, also a cherub type of angel, also called an "anointed cherub" until he rebelled against God.

From the scriptures below you will notice that his name also changed from Lucifer to Satan, which would give meaning to the saying in "fallen from heaven, O Lucifer," and the word for fallen in this is "naphal".

This word " Naphal" is also linked to the description of the fall of man where men were giants the men were called Nephilim or Nephiyl stemming from a fallen nature as man now has.

Because of Lucifer's iniquity, Gods brightness left Lucifer, and was cast to the earth including a third of other Angels that were in support of Lucifer. Which also describes why not much is said about Lucifer and why he is called Satan prince of darkness

Jesus was in heaven before he became a man and Jesus said this

Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

Isa:14:12: How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Jesus is speaking about Satan who was Lucifer in heaven, and also he was cast down to the earth, the ground

Eze:28:13: Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

Eze:28:14: Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

Eze:28:15: Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Eze:28:16: By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

Ge:3:15: And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Ro:16:20: And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly

Lucifer.....Isa:14:12: How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Serpent.............Ge:3:1: Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Satan.............1Ch:21:1: And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel. (49 TIMES IN THE BIBLE)

Devil..........M't:4:1: Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. (100 times in NT)

Dragon...........Re:20:2: And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Adversary..............Lu:12:58: When thou goest with thine adversary to the magistrate, as thou art in the way, give diligence that thou mayest be delivered from him; lest he hale thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and the officer cast thee into prison.

Deceiver of the world...............Re:12:9: And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Murderer ..........Joh:8:44: Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Old Serpent......Re:12:9: And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Piercing Serpent.......Isa:27:1: In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.

Prince of Demons........M't:9:34: But the Pharisees said, He casteth out devils through the prince of the devils.

Prince of Power of the air..........Eph:2:2: Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Prince of this world.............Joh:14:30: Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.Joh:12:31: Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

King of Tyrus........Eze:28:12: Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

God of this world...........2Co:4:4: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Enemy..........M't:13:39: The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

Roaring lion..........1Pe:5:8: Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Angel of light.............2Co:11:14: And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Anointed Cherub...............Eze:28:14: Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

Belial................De:13:13: Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;

Beelzebub............M't:12:24: But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.

Crooked serpent..............Isa:27:1: In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.

Leviathan...........Isa:27:1: In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.

Ruler of Darkness...................Eph:6:12: For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Son of Morning............Isa:14:12: How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Tempter.................M't:4:3: And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

Unclean Spirit..............M't:12:43: When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.

Wicked one.............1Jo:3:12: Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Here we can see scriptures discussing where Lucifer came from, or was tossed from,there are Three heavens read at "Heaven"

Lucifer was cast from a place outside the earths atmosphere, and depicted as from the stars, this heaven is called " Shamayim ". This heaven is more specific to mean in the presence of God, because of who he was and what type of instrument he was in Gods use.

Here we can see scriptures describing the same events "fall from heaven." The same entity called Lucifer also Satan, the great dragon, that old serpentand Devil .

Isa:14:12: How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Lu:10:18: And he said unto them,I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

Re:12:9: And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.


Re:20:10: And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Lu:10:19: Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

Bruise his head with your heel

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Sanctus Vesania 2 years ago

The evidence for Lucifer being Satan is quite sketchy at best. First, the Lucifer = Satan doctrine implies that Satan was once a perfect angel.

John 8:43-44

43Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Jesus himself states that Satan was a liar and murderer since the beginning.

Also, the word 'Lucifer' is not a Hebrew term, nor is it a Greek term. When St. Jerome decided to translate the Bible from Greek to Latin, he translated the word, '???? (Hêl?l) (Light/fire bearer/bringer) into Lux Ferre (Light/Fire bearer/bringer)

And the translation of the word helel may have been a mistake as well. Helel also means 'howl' in Hebrew.

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HOOWANTSTONO Hub Author 2 years ago

Sanctus Vesania

Lucifer....(Heb)  Helel, brightness

The scriptures clearly describe Lucifer as bright because of his covering and this is how God named him because of his covering.Once he lost this brightness and was kicked out of heaven he became Satan....(Heb) SATAN....adversary, opponent and this means opponent of God.

Its like calling you a "dope head"  because you smoke dope, He was named so many names because it describes his evil nature.

Isa:14:12: How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!  how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations

Re:12:9: And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Eze:28:13: Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

Eze:28:14: Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

Eze:28:15: Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Eze:28:16: By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

Ge:3:15: And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Ro:16:20: And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly

Re:20:10: And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Totally linked together as the same Fallen angel

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Sanctus Vesania 2 years ago

How do any of those verses prove that Lucifer is Satan? They don't. Also, the verses concerning the king of Tyre? Well, research in the Bible itself will show that the king of Tyre (the one that Ezekiel was to prophecize against) was given the covering cheribum.

Those verses are a mistranslation. How can the king of Babylon (identified as Lucifer) also be the king of Tyre (also identified as Lucifer)? Especially when the king of Babylon was to go against the king of Tyre

Lucifer vs. Lucifer.

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thefount 2 years ago

Hoo, if you don't mind I'd like to respond to Sanctus' comment. 

As Hoo outlined above in Isaiah 14, that's exactly what Lucifer was before he became Satan - a perfect angel.  If you read the entire passage of Is. 14, you'll find the emergence of the I-god, and how the worship of SELF leads to self-destruction.  

As far as all this speculation of whether Lucifer became Satan or not, God is able to give His people the ability to spiritually discern what's written in His Word, and this ability transends any fallacy which may have occured in the translation of languages.

Even though Lucifer was the head angel in heaven, he had the autonomous ability to believe and follow God/God's Word or to reject God as Head of his life - and we who read The Bible get to see the disastrous result of Lucifer's rejection of God, and to learn from it or not. 

If one is looking for reasons to disbelieve The Bible, the devil (who is an eternal spirit that works through any and every unbeliever throughout time) will provide all the reasons in the world! I hope this helps.

Thanks for this hub exposing the Enemy Hoo!  Continue To Be Blessed!

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HOOWANTSTONO Hub Author 2 years ago

Sanctus Vesania

I cant see how you cant see them spelled out. Ok here is a question, ...Who was cast out of heaven, Lucifer or Satan or the Devil .

I see the verse that says Satan the Devil was cast out. I also see that Lucifer was cast out. I did say that Lucifer's name means brightness, now he is Darkness there is no light in him Satan the Devil....Lucifer the Angel is now Satan the Devil. His name represents his being, his name changed.

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HOOWANTSTONO Hub Author 2 years ago

thefount

Thanks, unless one is Born again one cant discern Spiritual things

God speed

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James A Watkins Level 8 Commenter 2 years ago

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James A Watkins Level 8 Commenter 2 years ago

Excellent exposition. It is interesting to see all of these Scriptures stacked up together. Paints quite a picture. Thanks!

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HOOWANTSTONO Hub Author 2 years ago

James A Watkins

Thanks again

God speed

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HOOWANTSTONO Hub Author 2 years ago

Judah's Daughter

Its the old story of who the devil deceives. he will lie about his name and he will even call himself a Christ, and this is exactly what has happened, he has even changed the words in the bible to imitate the truth, as he did with Eve in the garden.

Jesus is the "Bright Morning star" the Light of the World.......and Satan,Devil, and Dragon is the "son of the morning"......

I can see how many people confuse the two. Lucifer lost his brightness when God saw darkness had entered into him now he is Prince of Darkness.

Re:22:16: I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Isa:14:12: How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Get the KJV its translated from the Original Hebrew and Greek scrolls, and not from another bible. I told you this already. Your NASB has that exact problem "O star of the morning, son of the dawn" and does not have the word Lucifer mentioned, even the verses used to expound this is not the same. NASB is a rubbish bible and leads away from Christ, toss it into the bin, do yourself a favour.

Its because of these verses that the JWs think Jesus is Lucifer.

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HOOWANTSTONO Hub Author 2 years ago

Judah's Daughter

I have been doing it for years and years, Hebrew and Greek, with the KJV because the KJV is from the original tongues.

No other re-invented bible can brag this or will in the future.

Lucifer is plain and simple "Was Satan's name in Heaven " now called Satan and Devil.

The anti Christ is not mentioned in Revelations and is confused with the Beast and Dragon.

The Satan the Devil controls the Beast.

I am led by the Holy Spirit and will never be taught by men unless they harmonise with the Gospel about Jesus. There are a few out there, I have recommended

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HOOWANTSTONO Hub Author 2 years ago

Judah's Daughter

Satan has a trait and governing the world is his trait.There are 3 Babylons

Babylon in Old Testament, Babylon in New Testament (Europe nations 7 heads & 10 Horns)including the UK and USA (beast with two horns), and Babylon will start again after Christ lets him loose at the end of the thousand years.

Great tribulation is coming for the Christians, and it will also be a time of testing of the Saints (us) if we reject the 666 and get killed for it.Matthew 24 see my http://hubpages.com/hub/Discern-the-signs-of-the-t

CU

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HOOWANTSTONO Hub Author 2 years ago

Judah's Daughter

Rapture is a modern invention by people reading modern bibles, either way Jesus is coming, and I feel sorry for those who believe in the rapture, because they will feel as if the Lord has delayed his coming. God has never taken the believer away from persecution and tribulation. Persecution and tribulation is part and parcel for believers as it is there to make martyrs of Christ and fools for Christ. God does remove believers from his wrath and destruction this he has done many times eg: Flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, Exodus, etc, and this time its going to be the same.

M't:24:29: Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

M't:24:30: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

M't:24:31: And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

http://hubpages.com/hub/Discern-the-signs-of-the-t

cu

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HOOWANTSTONO Hub Author 2 years ago

Judah's Daughter

I answered this on the http://hubpages.com/hub/Discern-the-signs-of-the-t

Bless ya

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no body Level 4 Commenter 2 years ago

Hoo, you know you are the coolest, right brother? I'm a pretrib rapture man myself. Kinda funny that way. Great hub and lots of great Scripture. Love ya man.

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HOOWANTSTONO Hub Author 2 years ago

no body

Hi bud, I believe in the Coming of Christ after the tribulation and after the falling away.

M't:24:29: Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

M't:24:30: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

M't:24:31: And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Many forget this is Jesus talking.Eitherway Jesus is coming so, thats for sure.

Bless u

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no body Level 4 Commenter 2 years ago

You too my friend.

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aguasilver Level 6 Commenter 2 years ago

Hi Hoo,

Nice hub, personally I find long stretches of scripture stops people reading further, the unbelieving get lost, the believers have all read it before.

As a former layup artist, may I suggest you stick some pictures in to break text up, make the reader think and (if possible) rate the hub even higher because it allows space for ads to be inserted.

I realise this is possibly teaching granny to suck eggs, as you already rank high and I'm a newbie, but I offer it anyway, with love!

Secondly, concerning the 'Rapture' and the sequencing of the event, what is your thinking on the following verses:

Luke 21: 32-36

Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.

For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.

Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

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Specifically I refer to the ALL stated in the last verse... do believers escape ALL or only SOME of the things that will come to pass?

JimLow 2 years ago

HOOWANTSTONO,

Your scriptures for comparison so that the truth in them being conveyed is "rightly divided", is extremely well laid-out. I have simlar Hubs, in which I go over many of the same scriptures.

Jesus often referred to his pre-existence with the Father, stating also that he was "sent" by the Father etc... He also stated "before Abraham was, I am" which is the same term God revealed himself as to Moses. I feel his statement "I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven" is in that category of scriptures in which Jesus speaks of things he observed before he "became flesh and dwelt among us". I also see that Jesus' statement about seeing satan fall, compare exactly with those in the Old Testament, that state he was cast from heaven "to the ground".

In some of my Hubs, I also go into the fall of Lucifer and the angels that followed him, pointing out that this was a "pre-Adamic" event". I absolutely believe this because Jesus states that hell was "prepared for the devil and his angels" and Jude specifically states that these angels are reserved for chains under darkness because they left their own habitation in rebellion against God.

No-mention of the creation of hell is mentioned in Genesis, in fact everything God created when he prepared the earth for Adam's (mankind's) dominion, he looked at everything made -at the time- and said that "it was very good".

The angelic fall and preparation of hell for them was a pre-adamic event. I also believe there was a catasrophic event involving the earth that resulted. Satan's appearance as the tempter of Adam, which was God's will to take place (good contrasted with evil so free will choice could be offered - still being offered today), just as it was his will for Jesus the "second Adam" to be tempted in the wilderness (40 days), was already in his fallen state as an angel, seperated from God.

I didn't start out to make a long post! I thought you might be interested in these aspects, which my suspicion is that you may already be studied on. Some people disagree with this aspect however, there is a great deal of scripture in regard to it and is believed by many reputable Bible scholars. It is in fact also referenced in the Dake study Bible (or at least was last time I looked at one).

It's an intriguing subject with lots of aspects to it, thanks for the Hub covering it!

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HOOWANTSTONO Hub Author 2 years ago

JimLow

Thanks for popping in, and leaving a comment, I will go past your hub and have read.

I agree with all you said, and the trick is to harmonise the hub with all other scriptures that magnify that Jesus Christ is God and come in the flesh.

Go well

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HOOWANTSTONO Hub Author 2 years ago

aguasilver

Thanks for the advice, I know it is important to try and keep explanations simple and short, but sometimes to establish a foundation of knowledge its important to have something deeper and stronger to build on, dont get me wrong, I have thought of trying to split the descriptions into sections, but I dont want to break the flow in the read.

Concerning Luke Jesus was telling the listeners to look after themselves, and not be drawn into the temptations of the world and stay away from the lusts of the flesh which is what will keep them from following the truth, and seek the kingdom of God. Although Jesus had not ushered in the new Covenant yet, he was steering the minds and thoughts to listen to good advice on Israel's future.

Go well

mustafa 23 months ago

satan, Lucifer..etc Is not an angle he is a demon (Jinn) as it called in islam, he worshipped god for 6 thousand years and then become the peacock of the angles, and so when god told him to praise adam the father of humans his arrogance and self ego was unleashed and he said : i was created by fire and he is from sand and water, ( angles are created by light not fire like Jinn's !

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HOOWANTSTONO Hub Author 23 months ago

mustafa

Where did you get your information from?, seems the info is a long time after Christ and the Gospel, so its probably a religious invention, like many other things today

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Disappearinghead Level 2 Commenter 22 months ago

Hi HOOWANTSTONO,

I have to say that I have become sceptical of the doctine of Satan once being some perfect angel called Lucifer. If I read the passage in Isaiah 14, it clearly starts and ends by talking about the King of Babylon, and in fact the whole passage still make sense if we read it as talking about an Earthly King. As Sanctus stated, Lucifer is a latin word that was inserted in order to try to equate the King with Satan. With regards to the exalting to Heaven, its the same self exultation that happened with the Tower of Babel and Capernaum. All these three self exultations result in man being cast back to the Earth.

With regards to Ezekiel 28, it starts and ends with talking about the King of Tyre. At no time in the passage is it expicitly stated that Ezekiel switches his reference to Satan. In the Lament taken up about him, Ezekiel mentions his widespread dishonest trade which is clearly the actions of an Earthly king, not a spiritual being. The references to cherub and Eden can just as easily be understood as allegory. In order to see this passage as being a reference to Satan, we have to make it an interpretation because it is not explicit here.

Yes Jesus saw Satan being cast out of Heaven. However, Satan is seen as visiting Heaven in Job 2. Therefore it is quite possible that Jesus was refering to one of these visits when Satan was cast back to the Earth.

Also Satan does need to have been a perfect angelic being at the begining in order to corrupt God's angels and sweep them to the Earth.

Jesus stated in John 8:44 that Satan was a murderer from the beginning and John stated in 1 John 3:8 that he was a sinner from the beginning. So if from the beginning, then he was never perfect then fallen. If he was bad from the very beginning of creation, then it seems likely that he was created as an evil adversary by God in the first place. If this is the case, then it makes perfect sense that God stood back and watched as Satan tempted Eve, and the rest is history.

I have also read that it is a common Jewish understanding that Satan is a created adversary that serves as a tool that God uses.

As for the King James, I personally don't hold it in much regard. As an Englishman, I speak modern English and not Elizabethan English. I see no reason to read a bible where first I have to translate from one form of English into another before I can get about the process of understanding God's word. Most modern translations are taken from the best available Hebrew and Greek texts, so are good enough. If we want to study a particuar passage, then a literal translated interlinear is best. Also the King James has has thosands of corrections since its first draft, so therefore we cannot say it is 100% reliable.

With regards to the tribulation comments above, I am in full agreement with you. I think it ludricous that Christians will be 'raptured' out of the Earth before tribulation events. Christians in Asia and the Middle East are suffering now because of their faith. Jesus said that as long as we are in this world we should expect tribulation. Paul said it is through trials and tribulatinos that we enter the Kingdom of God. The pre-trib rapture theory is nothing but a complacent Western church cultural invention designed to prop up health, wealth and prosperity doctrines.

Go well, Shalom

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HOOWANTSTONO Hub Author 22 months ago

Disappearinghead

Thank you for your comment. From my analysis, It is important that people distinguish the difference between a Spirit being and a Human being. Lucifer was at one time a good Angel, but began to raise himself up instead of God and that is exactly why he was cast out of the "Third Heaven". God warned Adam about his "Fruit" the truth and also "Satan's" Fruit the lie. Satan appeared as a serpent, not that he was a serpent or looked like one but embodied himself with the serpent "Possessed". King of Babylon, King of Tyre, and many more were influenced by Satan even possessed by him hence why God destroyed so many ungodly kingdoms, the Antichrist is also a pure example of the influence and deception caused by Satan. Satan started all wars and confusion in heaven and continued it here on earth.The names given to this fallen angel is many and all are tending to describe his type of evilness, from "Light bearer" Lucifer to "Adversary" "Deceiver" etc. Some hubbers don't see the distinct difference between Man and Satan. Jesus was tempted by Satan three times and three times Jesus cast him down, now that same authority is up for grabs by believers, that's why Jesus said "I overcame the Devil for your sakes" and "cast out devils in my name".

Satan still to be locked up in the Abyss by God so that he cannot "Deceive Nations" for 1000yrs

Concerning KJV, I have always used it, and found that the old English used in the KJV has a descriptive flavor and ability that modern English lacks, its also suitable concerning the Hebrew, Aramaic,and Greek because the KJV was translated from the original texts in these languages, and is not a translation from another bible which has altered things. I have a hub on that.

Jesus did say in Matthew 24, that he would come after the Tribulation, and many are using this as a money making trick and creates a dispute called the "Rapture" I prefer the use of correct biblical words "Resurrection" "Day of the Lord" etc

Go well

me2kjv 8 months ago

You don't believe in the Devil? He believes in you and wants to destroy your marriage to the Bridegroom.

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HOOWANTSTONO Hub Author 8 months ago

me2kjv

No I dont believe in the Devil I believe in Jesus Christ. The Devil cant destroy the marriage to the Bridegroom, he has not got the strength nor the authority.

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